Jennifer Portman speaks to two experts with very different views of Denise. Former FBI profiler Candice DeLong, host of Killer Psyche, and Professor Jane Monckton-Smith, a leading researcher into coercive control. Audible subscribers can listen to all episodes of Over My Dead Body ad-free right now. Join Audible today by downloading the Audible app. Support us by supporting our sponsors! BetterHelp: Try BetterHelp.com/OverMy to get 10% off your first month! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.