08.02.2024 • 36 Min.

Warning: this episode contains strong language and descriptions of violence. A few days ago, for the first time, an American jury convicted a parent for a mass shooting carried out by their child. Lisa Miller, who has been following the case since its beginning, explains what the historic verdict really means. Guest: Lisa Miller, a domestic correspondent for The New York Times Background reading: From New York Magazine: Will James and Jennifer Crumbley be Found Guilty for Their Son’s Mass Shooting?Mother of Michigan Gunman Found Guilty of ManslaughterA Mom’s Conviction Offers Prosecutors a New Tactic in Mass Shooting CasesFor more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.