19.09.2017 • 20 Min.

The investigation into Russia’s attempts to disrupt the election is unnerving Washington. At a Washington steakhouse, a New York Times reporter overheard just how much the tactics used by the special counsel are rattling the White House legal team. Guests: Matt Apuzzo, who has been covering the Russia investigation for The Times; Kenneth P. Vogel, the reporter who overheard that conversation in Washington. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. You can support "The Daily" by subscribing to The Times. We're offering listeners one month free, then 50% off for a year. Go to nytimes.com/thedailyoffer for more information. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.