12.04.2017 • 17 Min.

The relationship between two key figures in the White House, Stephen K. Bannon and Jared Kushner, has deteriorated to the point of breakdown. Is Mr. Bannon in trouble? Guest: Jeremy W. Peters, who has been covering the story from Washington. For more information on today’s episode, visit http://nyti.ms/2osfGj3. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.