22.11.2017 • 20 Min.

Robert Mugabe has been the leader of Zimbabwe as long as there has been a Zimbabwe. Having once proclaimed that “only God will remove me,” he resigned as president on Tuesday after nearly four decades in power. Will he be remembered as a tyrant, or as a hero? Guest: Jeffrey Gettleman, who was East Africa bureau chief of The New York Times for more than a decade. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. We will be taking the rest of the week off for Thanksgiving. See you Monday. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.